Help quick

Hi,

Did he start the job on the weekend?

If he is only doing the work on weekends, be careful. That may be why he just showed up. He needed to do the work when there are no inspectors driving around.

**"Did he start the job on the weekend?

If he is only doing the work on weekends, be careful. That may be why he just showed up. He needed to do the work when there are no inspectors driving around."**

More likely it’s just a side job. Many roofers work 5 days a week for a company because they need steady income and do side work on the weekends.

Anyone who would put shingles down without felt underlayment especially here in Massachusetts is either very stupid or very untrustworthy. I wonder if they know it is also code to have the ice and water shield extend a minimum of 24" beyond the warm wall line? Yes that means just three feet is not enough.
We replace many roofs that are only a few years old for a reason.The pigeons as they say always come home to roost when there is a north east storm and your roofers mistakes show up.

Roofing Proverb :
“The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of a low price”

I have pics of the job he is going to fix and to me it looks sloppy. My question to you is do architectural shingles (certainteed brand) normally look messy while they take time to settle in or is this just poor workmanship? I’m guessing the latter but hoping for it just needing to settle.

I will post pics soon.

Here are the pics. Yes I know my house isn’t the nicest looking thing but she’s our first and she’ll get nicer as time and money allows :wink:

anyway, what do you think. Should this look nicer or is this typical for a freshly installed roof.

Is that a shingle ran up onto the front of the chimney or do my eyes deceive me…
Can we get some close ups of the chimney, that just doesn’t look right… :frowning:

The shingles also look as though they have been “racked”, instead of the proper stagger.

That is just a shingle turned up the front, he didn’t even use a whole shingle, there is a break in the middle of the chimney. Is this supposed to be complete? There isn’t any cap on the ridge. The shingles are improperly installed, but they are laying properly.

That was just a temp fix, I think it’s ice barrier until he could re-lead the chimney.

But yeah, they do look kind of stacked and I layed out the shingles in my yard staggered and it looked so much better. The strange thing to is the shingles I have, do not look like what the brochure I have and what certainteed shows on their website but they’re the same shingle…

this stuff is weird…haha

Anyway, keep in mind, whatever you see, hopefully if he shows up as planned, will not exist this weekend. He’s tearing up all that work and re-doing the work WITH 15# paper (minimum code requirement here).

I’m just looking for look ideas so I can tell him what I prefer so he is aware.

they racked the courses.tisk tisk

however we all know racking is a poor practice that will look bad in 10 years…it is an approved installation method by certainteed.

uh weekend roofer here,
i think were all a little guilty of that hmmmmmmm.

uh dude,
high ya doin.
callin ya dude because you dont have the brightest
user name, which got his almighty gweedo’s post caught up in the marked inapropriate content spam whatamacallit.

i tryed to post and tell you there are alot of places
were felt is not used. i have installed many myself.
i have torn off many that didnt have felt, with no bad wood to fix.

personally i like felt or somthin over the plywood
for better footing and strait lines to keep shingles strait. but i do not think of it as part of the roof.
im fixin to put ten thousand roofing nail holes in it.

part of being a roofing god at roofing.com
is having to go over the same thing over and over
with the mere mortals, and enjoy it.

again, when water gets past the shingles, for whatever
reason it will rott everything in its path till it starts comin in. the shingle alone must keep the water out on planet earth.

good to here your getting it done.
the 1 mega pixel picture look ok , i think.

gweedo.

So how would he get the shingles to look like this. Out of the box they are longer and do not have the same look but they are Woodscape shingles. I’m confused. I like this look or the staggared look that I layed out myself.

I have the right to tell him what pattern I want, correct? Please help me get the look I’m trying to achieve. Why the difference from the web pic from the actual shingle?

http://www.certainteed.com/NR/rdonlyres/52E554D2-1C52-4FB9-AB15-DD0FDCA490CB/0/woodscapebirchwood.jpg

reguardless on a few items. Weekend we have all done it but like that i know i would not do hack work like that. Felt is required by ALL roofing manufacturers or the warranty is void so thats a mute point. Its called following the directions. If they say look to the south and wiggle your third leg then do it because thats the way it is. Its like drinking and driving, You know you should not do it but one day you get caught and well you pay BIG TIME. Take my word for it. Florida has the toughest codes how on earth without being illegal there gweedo can you not put felt on and get inspected and pass? I just dont understand how you stay afloat with what you say. You should go to a casino cause up here you would leak like no bodys business.

Who ever did this roof should be shot. To many areas to void the warranty, the raking of the shingles voided the warranty just like that. The chimney is not done anywhere close to correct. No that does not look like ice and water sheild. It looks like a shingle proped up. This guy is a hack. I highly doubt he will show up and tear it all off and do it correctly. I think your on your own. He got the job on price im sure. And since his price doubled you will not see him again more than likely. I hope im wrong but the odds are very high on this. I bet i could inspect and find atleast 5 things wrong. I see 2 in pictures how many other things are wrong would be my main worry. That roof wont make 1 snow fall over 2 inches without your ceiling comming down.

The instructions needed to achieve the desired look is printed on every wrapper.

For 3-tab shingles not including hallmark and independence…
Laminated shingles should never be racked.

Woodscape shingles were discontinued in my area a long time ago, don’t know about other areas.
IIRC woodscapes were made by GAF but it has been a long time since I have seen them.

Let us know how it goes.

[quote]i tryed to post and tell you there are alot of places
were felt is not used. i have installed many myself.
i have torn off many that didnt have felt, with no bad wood to fix.

personally i like felt or somthin over the plywood
for better footing and strait lines to keep shingles strait. but i do not think of it as part of the roof.
im fixin to put ten thousand roofing nail holes in it.

part of being a roofing god at roofing.com
is having to go over the same thing over and over
with the mere mortals, and enjoy it.

again, when water gets past the shingles, for whatever
reason it will rott everything in its path till it starts comin in. the shingle alone must keep the water out on planet earth.

good to here your getting it done.
the 1 mega pixel picture look ok , i think.

gweedo.[/quote]

:shock:

[quote]reguardless on a few items. Weekend we have all done it but like that i know i would not do hack work like that. Felt is required by ALL roofing manufacturers or the warranty is void so thats a mute point. Its called following the directions. If they say look to the south and wiggle your third leg then do it because thats the way it is. Its like drinking and driving, You know you should not do it but one day you get caught and well you pay BIG TIME. Take my word for it. Florida has the toughest codes how on earth without being illegal there gweedo can you not put felt on and get inspected and pass? I just dont understand how you stay afloat with what you say. You should go to a casino cause up here you would leak like no bodys business.

Who ever did this roof should be shot. To many areas to void the warranty, the raking of the shingles voided the warranty just like that. The chimney is not done anywhere close to correct. No that does not look like ice and water sheild. It looks like a shingle proped up. This guy is a hack. I highly doubt he will show up and tear it all off and do it correctly. I think your on your own. He got the job on price im sure. And since his price doubled you will not see him again more than likely. I hope im wrong but the odds are very high on this. I bet i could inspect and find atleast 5 things wrong. I see 2 in pictures how many other things are wrong would be my main worry. That roof wont make 1 snow fall over 2 inches without your ceiling comming down.[/quote]

Wow :smiley:

Racking info for the customer / original poster (OP):
professionalroofing.net/arti … ID=710#663
Do a search for the word “racking”.

As for the sample photo you included (the one where you ask how to achieve a particular look)… you can’t ever (EVER) rely on a brochure or website to give you an accurate example. The only thing you can rely on is getting a few shingles & laying them in a ‘patch’ that’s @ least 2 or 3 shingles together.

didnt say anything about florida.

didnt.

doesnt say must have underlayment on instruction
wrapper.

doesnt.

made his allmighty type extra?
strange.

gweedo

Shaking my head.

The picture freaky you posted the shingle offset on the two shingles on the bottom are not right they are too close.

GTP, I saw that as well; not only are they way too close, they’re reversed.

I think that was for selecting color only, though, & not an actual installed piece.

If you R click on the photo & then go to PROPERTIES, you’ll see the host for the image is from CertainTeed.

First of all, Qweedo, i don’t even do roofs but I do know that you are either just trying to stir people up or you have no idea what you are doing. I work with an engineer firm and luckily I know how to read the building code and have access to it so YES the paper is REQUIRED BY CODE. Like said above, the CODE IS THE LAW. Bottom line! If you don’t follow it, you don’t get caught, you think it’s right. That was this guys approach and guess what, he got caught.

Now, I really hope the poster that said I am on my own is wrong. I have talked with him and it does sound like he is coming back but only time will tell I guess. I’m just crossing my fingers and if he doesn’t come back, at least I have a contract, I have the most materials, I have some of his equipment so I will without hesitation get a lawyer involved and I know he won’t want to deal with that. I have got a lot of good advice here and with the construction manager at work. He knows what I should look for and what massachusetts contractors are legally bound to. He even told me that no matter what, they must bid a job to meet minimum code requirements even if it’s not in the proposal. They’re responsible. Regardless of that, I’m literally going to sit out there and watch every step of the way to make sure it’s what I want because I’m not letting him walk away with the roof going back up the way it looks now. That is just not accpetable. It shouldn’t be that hard to take the time to stagger the shingles and make them look uniform. A few snaps of the chalkline and all is well.

I’m going to show him what I want and make sure he follows it. then I will make sure to have a building inspector out there. First thing first is I have to make sure a permit gets pulled this time. I’m just hoping and praying he shows up or else I’m out money and I don’t want to be doing the roof myself or pay someone on top of what I already paid him.

So I’ll try to make this my last question but it is acceptable to have a staggared “brick” type look? Per the instructions I downloaded on certainteed, they have a 5 diagonal method which is what I would really like but I also like the brick type look.

I remember when he was throwing on the shingles it was basically them grabbing them, throwing them into place and nailing them. I watched some show about a roof and they snapped chaulk lines and lined everything up nice. Which is the norm? do experienced roofers just throw them into place quickly and nail while maintaining pattern?

Sorry for the long winded post but I’m obviously very worked up about this mess.

[quote=“RanchHandRoofing”]Racking info for the customer / original poster (OP):
professionalroofing.net/arti … ID=710#663
Do a search for the word “racking”.[/quote]

The “brick look” you speak of is racking. It’s not good IMO. Read the link / follow my search instruction.

While it won’t be anywhere near as evident on a dimensional roof, it IS a problem IMO. Even if your guy does install all the right amount of nails (which is listed as a problem in the link) I still don’t like it.

One question that hasn’t been asked:

What made you select this guy? I know there wasn’t a contract signed, but you did issue funds so that means you had SOME way of saying “OK, let’s move ahead & you’re the guy.”

Just curious…