I’m looking at a composition shingle for my 24 square roof. I’m looking at the Landmark Premium and Presidential and Landmark TL. The Presidential is the most expensive about $1300 more than Premium and $400 more than Landmark TL. The Landmark TL is about $1000 more than the Premium.
I’d like to hear people’s thoughts.
Landmark TL for best bang for the buck
ditto gtp.
for god sake.
gweedo.
Ha , Oil Is way Down, Natural Gas Is Way Down , Recyclables , that are used in Fiberglass and for Other Items -( They Can’t Give the Stuff Away )
It did Cost $80.00 a Ton , What’s Up with these
Shingle Makers - Are They Un-Happy they didn’t get a Bail Out ? LOL
They Laid Folks Off last Summer Early , so They aren’t Sitting On Inventory !
The New Price’s Should be 1980’s Prices , as
They Sure Shot Up Fast 10 & 15 & 18 Months ago !
We have Been Down to 1980’s Prices on all Raw Material’s for 4 months - That’s more then a Quarter !
WHAT’s UUPPpppp !! ? ____ ?
Maybe they Should Be Investigated !
Obomama Gate in the Behind for 2009 !
Hi,
Asphalt is the what is left at the bottom of the barrel.
They keep improving on the methods of refining. They are using what used to be used for asphalt for gasoline. They make more money on gasoline then asphalt.
It will contuinue to get worse. The bailout will make it worse. The bailout will improve roads. Shingles and blacktop will fight for asphalt. This will drive the price up.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say “The Certainteed Landmark TL shingle is the best laminate shingle in the world”.
Feels nice to get that off my chest!
Really excited about the adaptation of the “new” Max Defination colors.
That Resawn Shake looks steller, a color I used to not think much of.
[quote=“dougger222”]I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say “The Certainteed Landmark TL shingle is the best laminate shingle in the world”.
Feels nice to get that off my chest!
Really excited about the adaptation of the “new” Max Defination colors.
That Resawn Shake looks steller, a color I used to not think much of.[/quote]
I agree.
[quote=“Lefty”]Hi,
Asphalt is the what is left at the bottom of the barrel.
They keep improving on the methods of refining. They are using what used to be used for asphalt for gasoline. They make more money on gasoline then asphalt.
It will contuinue to get worse. The bailout will make it worse. The bailout will improve roads. Shingles and blacktop will fight for asphalt. This will drive the price up.[/quote]
I’ve been saying that for months, shingle prices are tied to the price of asphalt not crude oil.
Our refineries are so good there isn’t much asphalt left when we are done so we must buy asphalt from countries that have old refineries, primarily Venezuela.
:evil: BULLLLLLLL_SH________TTTTT !!!
They are Making More Gas - Now then Ever , and Demand Is Down . ( No Demand for Product )
So That Means there a lot more Barrels being Emptied to make the Gas & NO
Demand for - Asphalt !
Plus Asphalt -(Not 100 % Tar).
There are Many Items that Go into the Making of Shingles ! - Way More then Tar .
These Shingle Makers Were Screaming about Transportation Cost 10 Months Ago . Before that It was the High Oil . THOSE ARE GONE !
Maybe they Should Be Investigated !
Obama Gate in the Behind , for - 2009 !
Last week I went to the Certainteed Roofing Counsel Advisory Meeting. A couple dozen local Sellect contractors attended.
Present was the regional rep, Mr. Jay Butch, and a handfull of managers/supervisors from the Shakopee plant.
We talked about raising shingle costs more than any other topic. Axiom has mentioned the key reason why the price has skyrocketed from what we were told from the source.
One of the fellow roofers asked why they don’t buy from different asphalt suppliers. The manager of operations said that when the supplier(s) (two total) call days prior to a delivery they tell them the price and thats it. They can’t shop around or say no because they only have a couple sources and if they say no they don’t get any asphalt and it goes to another shingle manufacturing plant or an asphalt road company. He said they were given more price increases than they gave to the suppliers last year. It was close to every couple weeks for increases in asphalt.
Like Axiom mentioned on a previous thread with the new stimulous project(s) projected to fix up many roads across the US and more than likely build more roads to nowhere the price of asphalt will go up again in 2009.
The idea is the shingles will go up again this year but hopefully not like they did last year. There will be another chance of a shingle shortage this Summer.
Certainteed Shakopee since Dec 1st has been running 24 hours a day and for the first time in history has rented 13 acres from the race track to store shingles.
My guess is if new construction stays down and there is no more hail storms they should be ok but I really doubt it won’t hail in the regions that CT Shakopee delivers to. Shokopee delivers as far south as MO, West to the Dakotas, and East to IL.
To Many Mangers and NO Roads Being Done in 2008
Many & I Mean Many State and Local Goverments. Laid 1000’s of People OFF - as in
So this Bull about the Other People taking the
Only Asphalt , ( There was Plenty of Asphalt )
Plus - War has been Winding Down also !
The New Swing in Roads and Bridges & Over Passes will be In Concrete ! = Infrastructure !
Concrete Last for 20-30 Yrs. - Not 4-6 Yrs. !
I am currently looking for a new roof and from what I have read on the internet about Certainteed I think I would never use their product. Numerous complaints about defective shingles and a class action suit is pending. My roofing contractor stated was issue only in Minnesota but suit now covers 16 states. I can understand them have an issue with a new product that may have failed but their customer service appears to suck in regards to helping their customers who have warranties. Their life cycle pamphlet tells it all on how well their product works…
Maybe that is why prices are high…need to store up to pay lawsuits. I don’t know if I should go for wood shingle with good fire rating, metal roof or something else…Help!
AnnaB - There are actually quite a few different types of roofing systems you can get besides regular asphalt shingles. Also, with the way asphalt shingles are prices now, you are almost better off to go with soemthing of better quality for the more money than regular shingles. I would never put anything certainteed on my house either with all the complaints and problems ive heard about them but then again everyone has a different opinion.
Thanks for the reply, I am surprised at how many say they like Certainteed. Any ideas on metal? I see there are issues with denting if you walk on it wrong and hard to replace a piece but that is all I found so far.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, look into a Decra roofing system. It is a metal roof but they do make types that look sort of like regular shingles. You can walk on them and unlike standing seem metal roofs, it isnt like you are inside of a speaker at a concert when it is raining out. They have 50 year warrantys on them. The website is simply www.decra.com. From there you can navigate around to what you want. I recently did a trade show and we were the only people there with this displayed in our booth and we got numerous questions about it. I could sit here and tell you everything about them but it will be easier if you just check out there website.
If you are looking more for a wood type roof look into a product called lifepine shakes. Instead of cedar they are made out of pine and they dont curl split or have any problems there were with pine.
The more research you do the more defective and class action law suits you will uncover from most all major shingle manufacturers.
Certainteed is not standing alone with problems that I can promise you. GAF has had major issues with cracking too. IKO has had problems as well but I won’t get into them as I don’t want a Cadi in my front yard with guys in suits from Canada bothering me.
Metal roofing may be a good alternative for now but the hail I see from year to year in Minnesota will also damage that. Last year saw hardi board siding damaged from hail.
Thanks for the information! I understand what you mean about every shingle maker having issues! I am checking out Decra since I am in California. I looked at the pine product mentioned above since I love the look of wood, but I am concerned about the class B rating since we do get fires in California! This is such a big decision to make, i appreciate any feedback! 
Enviroshake is a good alternative as well
Never installed them but saw a roof being done down the street from a job I did last Fall. The crew spent three weeks roofing the house. The finished product looked great.
The house went from cedar shakes to Enviroshakes.
What are the chances that this product will fade? One would suspect they will hold up to hail damage rather well but the base ball wind driven hail may damage it.
The Decra metal shingles are nice too but I’ve seen hail damage them. One home owner that I talked to that has them said they shed a lot of granuals.
I’ll check out enviroshake too but 3 weeks to install is a long time! Thanks!